Spinal Fire Scientia Est Potentia

Interesting points regarding the sponsors of Seseme Street. My first thought was that I wish that our children could just have a little time free from propaganda...but then I realized that all myths, fairy tails, folk tails, etc have been used by the elite at one time or another. Propaganda is just another human trait.

Hopefully, I can offer my children enough of my own "propaganda" to counter the messages in which I disagree...

Which brings up an interesting point...Is that fair? Do parents own a child's mind? Do they have the right to pour in anything they want?

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

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wow
look at the links in this article
particularly the taser setup...what does a taser do to the development of a 9 year old?!?!? With all due respect I highly doubt that this would have no long lasting effects...I think getting tased is akin to elctro-shock therapy (MK-ULTRA) and is probably linked to Stockholm syndrome in someway.

teach them early to love big brother and jam them full of soma...

And I think to myself...What a wonderful world

[i]"If Fascism ever comes to the United States it will be in the guise of Americanism"[/i]
Huey Long

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well this is endemic of what I was trying to say here...
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[quote=jhaynes][url=http://]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2530561,00.html[/url]

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See my post about the rights of a child...

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

[quote=jhaynes]I think it is any good parents responsibility to pass on their memes as well as their genes. With the increase in electronic based propaganda and mind control this duty is paramount, as the world your children will inherit may be akin to Orwell's dystopic 1984.[/quote]

I think we need to be careful with this type of thinking. Genes and Memes are two totally different things. As of right now, a child will never be able to choose its genes, however, it can choose its memes.

With that being said, I want to address the question I asked before. Who owns the child's mind? Their body?

Do the parents have the right forcibly indoctrinate a child before the child has the ability to decide whether they agree or disagree.

Do the parents have the right to do anything they want to a child's body even if they think it will be "good for them" in the end?

These are very hazy questions and I'm not so sure that the answers lie wholley on the side of the parents. Take religion for example...in particular, the Catholic faith. Many parents make the decision to baptize children and put them through a rigorous program of indoctrination for the sacrements of communion and confirmation. This is typically done before the age of 14, which is developmentally before a child is able to truly critically think. Think about the message this sends. The parents are acting as if they own the child's mind and can do whatever they wish.

In regards to a child's body, I think a good example is circumcision. Why do parents have the right to decide whether or not a male child will keep HIS foreskin? The proceedure has no medical value and many insurance companies are now considering it to be elective surgury. Thus, the only reason that it is done is because the parents wish it. Do the parents own the child's body? Why couldn't the child make the decision to cut off his own foreskin at a later date?

I think we need to be careful about denying rights to our children. I think we need to be careful about being too presumptuous. Sure, parents do have to exert some sort of authority over their children at some times, but it can easily be taken too far. And if the stage has been set and taking it too far has now become the norm you can easily slide down a very slippery slope.

I can think of no better example then the parents who place tracking devices INSIDE of their child's body. There are even some parents who have elected to do this to their teenage children. This, IMHO, is a gross abuse of that child's human rights.

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"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

As part of a child's development, the child must (will) make their own decisions. Some choose to be followers, and others will question authority. Surely there is a breaking point to where any child simply rejects or accepts the force-feeding of information whether it be about religion or the type of clothes to wear.

Parents have the right to pass on beliefs just as they have the right to pass on language, diet, culture or anything else. Yes there are crazies who may push the boundaries of abuse, but the rest of us (hopefully) are trying to teach our kids how to make the right choices. Even if they're not right for us.

As far as who owns the child's body, acts such as circumcision seems to be phasing itself out, leaving the choice up to the individual. However, tracking devices are a much less permanent form of body-alteration. Ear-piercing and other cosmetic procedures are a little more disturbing, especially given the age of some of the children. I think the question needs to be asked; When should a child be able to make permanent choices about their own body, i.e. piercing, tattoos, circumcision, scaring, etc.? Or is this even a relevant question with today's medicine? With technology has the consequence or risk factor been minimized?